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Hey everybody, welcome to get checks and stories of power and perseverance, hope and inspiration. I'm Paul Weigel. And today I'm so so excited to have Victoria Brumfield, the CEO of USA Triathlon with us. Welcome.

Thank you, Paul. So good to be here.

I can, but I also want to start with it was not difficult at all, to connect you to our team to share your story, Paul, because your stories, it's not only so moving, but it just resonates with so many people who find the sport or who finds strength in the sport in a way that gets them through their life's challenges. And so I just really appreciate you sharing, and I'm really grateful to be a part of your story. So thank you.

Well, thank you, you actually were were the very first people I reached out to based on how important USA try was to me and based on that first time we talked so and let alone the support USA Triathlon has had and sharing the story of for those of you who don't know, they took, they took part of an excerpt from the book that I've written and to have a q&a as part of their most recent main magazine to help share that story. So it is super cool. So So going back to that going back to kick going back to kids and what's going on with because I know USA Triathlon is growing and changing and you're doing just so many so many different amazing things.

It is so exciting. And I know that one of the things that has been so important to you and I skipped over your bio is we don't need that. No, but but one of the things that has been super important was that you are the first female CEO and leave part of the leadership team. And really, the commitment to diversity, equity and inclusion is such a neat and powerful message about what USA Triathlon is doing. You want to say a little bit more about that, because there is so much value in bringing together so many communities kind of in the way you're talking

And that is phenomenal. You mentioned the needs of the sport and so many needs kind of at a grassroots level. I know that that has been a big message as you're looking at the future of USA team. Yep. What are some of those needs that you're seeing and hearing out there?

Well, there's, there's a lot and I think this goes back to we have a really big and complex family in triathlon. So the needs of the sport depend on who we're talking about in our family. So we have the businesses behind the sport, right? These are, these are the coaches and the race directors in the clubs. These are the individuals, sole proprietors, who are dedicating their time and resources to creating sport for athletes. So I think about, you know, Andre Chung, he's a race director in Trumbull, Connecticut. He just put on a race this past weekend. For less than 100 people. It's small, it's not his primary business, but he's creating community in his hometown, or Merrill McDonald, Merrill produces the longest ever nonprofit triathlon. It's been around for over 40 years. She's an African American woman, she started this race to benefit her husband, who I can't remember he, he, it was to benefit Cancer Society. I can't remember prostate cancer maybe, but it was a purpose driven, and this initiative and she is our only black female race director, we need to make sure that we are telling her story to inspire other people that look like her to start businesses and create more and create races for more athletes to participate in. Another great example is Yvonne Spencer, Yvonne Spencer created a club called fast chicks. That's all about empowering, supporting mentoring, women of color in the sport. So these are just a few examples. mashanda Speaking of great podcasts, but Shandra she, she goes by with Shonda shines. She has a podcast called I think it's called try beginners. But it's it's all about welcoming in new people into the sport who may not otherwise see themselves in the sport. And so if we can help support these organizations, through grants, through storytelling, through resources, through marketing, anything that we can do to help them grow their businesses, tell their stories, bring more people into the sport. Everybody wins.

Well, in your point about bringing people into the sport, and I know that so many people the first thing that when I say I'm an I'm a triathlete, and they will say, Oh my gosh, Kona, and it's gonna be so hard. And are you an Iron Man? I'm gonna say, Well, yes, I am. But But just as much they get overwhelmed with vape looking from the outside of how big and complex an Iron Man is, versus those, those smaller kind of beginner races and these questions and, and the desire and just kind of breaking down so many of those barriers, right.

And it's also this misconception that a shorter race is a beginner race. A lot of people do start with shorter races, but the majority of triathlons in the United States are four course races. And our goal is to get more people starting to race, and to get them to race more often and to get to them to race for a lifetime. And I love long distance racing, I'm going to be doing like Placid. Hopefully, Mike Riley was late enough to call my name. And that's, that's wonderful. That's a big aspirational part of the sport. But it's hard to do that type of distance. For a lifespan. It's hard to do that type of distance often. But what you can do often are shorter, more accessible races. And those are easier races to get people into the sport racing because the barriers to entry are lower. You know, I did the Nashville women's triathlon last spring. It was an incredible race in the heart of Nashville, I rented a beach cruiser from a bike shop across the street. And I like I had a bell on it. And I have this incredible experience on a wonderful vacation and weekend in Nashville. And it was so much fun. And that's the type of thing that you could do all the time, you could do five or six of those in the season easily without compromising other things in your life, like family or work or other commitments, but still have that sense of accomplishment and training and structure and all the wonderful benefits you get from the sport. And that's something that we're committed to is not only growing and supporting short course grassroots racing, but also helping to change and shift that perspective that the sport isn't just about the long, epic distances. It's also something that super accessible, whether it's a six year old doing their first ever event or an 88 year old legend, there's something for everybody in distance and in format and then and in your local area.

I think it's great that you're mentioning you use the bike cruiser, and that's and sometimes of just pulling things together. Yeah. I mentioned that first race I did when I had just started chemotherapy. Bing was on my cervello. And it was brand new. And I thought it was, well, I didn't think I was going fast but a 75 year old woman on a mountain bike, basically beach cruiser totally cruise past me. And I was like this is, this is not a good sign about about how I'm doing. What you're doing point I was thinking some about, we've got, we've got four peaks racing here in Arizona. And then I mean, where I really got introduced into the triathlon world was because of booty racing, which used to be up in the Pacific Northwest. And thank goodness it was a quarter mile swim to begin with, because it's taken me a long time to build up to that 2.4. But it is very cool to see how things have gone on. And I think part of that part of that Tyson, you mentioned some or I've read some about the USA Triathlon Foundation, there's some different aspects to that, probably the tie in to this.

That's a nice way to say that nicely done. Yes. So well, in the competition level, obviously, we talked about the grassroots and the USA, USA, United States, we're divert, we're spread out we're not centralized. And the competition level, especially since we don't necessarily we don't have it at the college level. Finding and growing those elite athletes is hard, especially compared to anywhere else where they seem to be growing up and growing just out of the ground, you can pick them up here and there. Right. So that's, that's a big part of that effort, as well.

And Paul, what a lot of people don't know, because there isn't a lot of visibility around it is that the Olympic style racing is very different than what you see in your local communities. So the race that you and I met at was a draft legal sprint triathlon. Now what that means is, everybody can draft in the swim, right? You're trying to stay on someone's feet without annoying them to get that benefit. But when you get on the bike, if it's an Iron Banner, your local race, the likelihood is that it's not draft legal meaning you can't benefit from the person in front of you. For the most part, you try and stay far away and not get caught. And then on the run, and then in the run, you could run together but because you're competing in your age group, you don't really know how you're competing against someone on the run. But in draft legal, it's you swim together in a pack, and then it's almost like a mini Tour de France on the bike. Right You're there's five tactics you're biking in a peloton, and then you're running it PACs and so it's very, very different and you're doing it on tight circuits. So the way I describe it to people is, you know, if you were to compare this to track and field triathlon that you experienced on a regular weekend is more like a 10k in a park. Triathlon, like the Olympics experience, it is like a track meet. It's, yeah, totally different. And so what our challenge is, is that we're trying to identify talent for sport that doesn't have a lot of visibility, and it doesn't have a lot of race opportunity at a high elite level. So in order for these young people to test their mettle, they have to be able to compete internationally for a 17 year old to fly to Uruguay to do a race pretty darn tough. And so that's one of the reasons to why philanthropy is so important because it takes a lot of resources to create an Olympian. You know, Kevin McDowell, who was our lowest ever or highest ever, I guess, depends on how you think about it. I think it was six overall and Tokyo. Yeah. So our most successful male Olympian, it took him something like 60 or 70, international events to compete at that level. You think about how expensive that is? Those are the types of things that we're that we're investing in is getting these athletes racing because it doesn't exist in the United States, like it does in France, or Germany, or these smaller, very tight knit elite level draft legal focused race communities. In

such a big mind shift change to have were so much of being in being a triathlete. It's becomes an individual sport, or at least for me, because I'm so far back in the pack. Yeah, everybody's past. So the swim, everybody's gone. And especially it becomes the watchdog for me. Jogging, right. But the the aspect of switching it from being an individual sport to being a team does take a different mindset to to be able to get there.

So it doesn't it's the complexities of both team and individual. So it is a very complex sport.

For sure. You mentioned the Olympics, what should we be expecting in the Olympics and what just a couple months

prior fireworks, it's gonna work suitable. So we're focused on what the Olympics and the Paralympics starting with the Olympic side. We have already punched tickets for Taylor Knibb. Now, for those of you know, Taylor Knibb, which I know a lot of people do, this is big news. She is the first ever triathlete to qualify for both the Olympics and triathlon. And in cycling, she just crushed and one cycling Time Trial nationals qualifying her for the Olympics in cycling. So she is going to be a two sport Olympian this summer. She will be a medal contender, both sports she's unreal. So very exciting. Looking forward to watching her the other athletes who's who has already confirmed their spot on the team is Morgan Pearson, Morgan Pearson, an incredible athlete both in triathlon and in running. I think he just placed fourth and cross country nationals. He is an incredibly talented single sport athlete as well. And he had a huge win last weekend in Yokohama at the highest level race. He's going into Cagliari this weekend, wearing number one on his back. So that's a really big deal. And he's already going to be going to Paris. So what's left now is we have to decide who is going to fill the other two spots we have available for women in one spot for men. So that's happening over the next couple of weeks. And a lot of that will be influenced by the dynamics of what happens if the World Triathlon racing Cagliari this weekend so if you're listening before Saturday, you need to watch Cagliari World Triathlon Series race on the parricide. We are set up to have more medals than any country has ever received in the Paralympic Games. We have such an incredibly talented deep field across both men and women in all categories of paratriathlon that are being competed in the Paralympics. So a lot of those athletes have already secured their spots, we still have a few more potentially to give. But that's really exciting. And those, those games will be in early September. That's

really amazing. It's really amazing. And you and I've talked some about stories and how many great stories there are within the triathlon world, whether diversity equity inclusion, dealing with disabilities or additional aspects. It is just such a wonderful way that people can have that access. I certainly hope that NBC is paying attention to all this and they're highlighting. This is highlighting the triathlon world especially the dual athlete part that that becomes a neat little thing.

If they know what's good for him. They're gonna cover it. It's a great story

to over reach out to Payton's See what he has to say about? So a little bit of a shift. And thank you so much for your time. You know, we've talked about that the name of this, this podcast is called gut checks. And I think that we've talked a lot about it within the transplant community tangentially. But what does it gut check mean to you? And what are some good checks, whether it be personally or professionally, you had, I,

I love this concept of a gut check. I actually, I lean very heavily on intuition. And it doesn't mean that you don't make decisions that are influenced by data and experience. And, you know, you have to make very calculated decisions when you're running an organization that impacts so many people's lives. And at the same time, I'm a really big believer in to leaning into my values, my experience, and in my understanding of whatever it is, I'm making a decision about, and really leaning into what feels right. I think I give a small example of when I took this job, right, like, right, nobody told me to take this job every single person told me not to. But what I realized, Paul, is that when I was talking about the options that I had in front of me, I could feel myself get excited about USA Triathlon, I could feel myself making a decision just by how I communicated the options. And I think about that a lot. And I think, I think doing a gut check really matters. And it's complicated, too, because it's so muddied by insecurity, or, you know, lack of confidence, or uncertainty, or all these things that can muddy, what we believe about ourselves and what we believe is possible. One example that just popped into my mind, and I don't know if this is a gut check, but it's, it's leaning into maybe a sense of what's possible and just trying it. You know, I've never been a talented athlete. I've always loved sports. I'm, well, actually, I take that back. When I say love sports. I'm not a team sport person. I didn't grow up playing Team sports. I was an avid golfer. When I was young. My dad was a Country Club Golf Pro. So I grew up on the golf course playing. That was how I got to spend time with my dad, and I grew up riding horses. I've always been a huge lover of of riding horses, and that's, you know, very athletic, and I skied and snowboarded and all those things, but very individual never, I never did anything competitively. I just always did it for the love of it. And when I first moved to New York City, I didn't know anybody and I just started doing races in the park, because that was right there. And I live near Central Park. And so I started doing these running races. And then I got involved in triathlon, and I started doing triathlon, and, you know, I got injured running. So then I started doing more bike racing. And I started doing real bike racing my categorize USA Cycling bike racing, I'm actually big USA Cycling fan, I've got don't tell triathlon, but I've got their water bottle on my, on my on my desk. But I remember I did probably two years of bike racing, where I never won a single race. And I remember just thinking, Oh, I just, I feel really lucky to be able to stick with the pack and not get dropped. And I feel lucky. And I feel you know, happy and I'm proud of myself. But I never went for a win. And then one day, I was in a bike race. And I remember it was in Hunter mountain in New York. And I just remember thinking like, what if, what if I could sprint? What if I could win a race. And I've never had this mentality, but I just went for it. And I, I won by like three or four bike links, I had this amazing sprint, and then I won every race after that for like, the next five or six races. And then of course, I got my head and it all fell apart. But I eventually upgraded to Cat two, which is a big, you have to win races to upgrade from four to three to two. And I ended up having a really successful fun, amateur cycling experience. My point of this whole story is it was my gut that told me I should try something I didn't know was possible for myself. And there was no data. There was no information. There was no coach, there was nobody telling me you're capable of this. But it was something inside me that said, I wonder if I am. Why not try. And sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. But that's something that I think about all the time. And I try and be as aware of how I'm experiencing decisions in my life every day to write said, what I should do with what I feel I should do.

There's so much powerful power in what you said of having a sense of what's possible. Then I've had a little bit of a mirror of that statement where I've always gone back to actually it's the movie a field of dreams and the Field of Dreams says if you believe in the impossible, the incredible can come true. And it's very similar thing that if you there are so many things whether it's work or day to day activities or a race that if you are thinking to that next level of no I can't but I can have where can you go? So that wonderful? I believe that is. So as you're thinking about your next steps, you mentioned Lake Placid and and Mike did tell me that he is for sure going to be there. And he's he told me he also said that he never said he was retiring. They just kind of said that he was but that he's going to do show he's going to do races that he wants to do now. Yeah. So besides Lake Placid What's up for you?

I will have to look at that I know you were planning on doing one down here in Arizona and I think you came up with a cold right at that time, so

I did I got really sick it was right before the Belgian waffle ride. Yeah, that's what it

was. Right. So okay, I know you and I talked briefly for a while that you might be doing an Ironman California, but if you've moved on past that you're going to grab a ride. So let's hear you there.

Well, Paul, I would love to do Ironman, California. I'm technically registered for it. But I'm traveling almost every week from from August to November so I think it'll be pretty hard to stay fit. But what I love about it is that downriver swim like Ah, just for the downriver swim, I might still go

is, as I mentioned, I'm toward the back of the paddock, and sometimes it is looking. I started looking at the clock of how many more miles and how will I be the cut off? So I think that'll buffer if the downriver swim in the flat. racecourse is exciting for me.

I know. That's my dream, zero elevation plus a big push in the swim. Like, what more could you ask for other than a scooter on the run?

And you know, and you know, I'm sure some people will be secretly doing this. So cool. So thank you so much for your time. Um, is there anything in closing statement you'd like to say to everybody? The stage is yours? Yeah. Well, I

So wonderful way to finish. Vic, thank you so much for your time today. Really appreciate it.

Thanks for having me, Paul. This was delightful.

It was Thank you